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		<title>Comment on A no good, very bad week by Kari Kopnick</title>
		<link>http://blog.spiritualityandsunflowers.com/?p=1466#comment-6133</link>
		<dc:creator>Kari Kopnick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2012 14:52:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sometimes what seems like the worst thing ever turns out to be a blessing. I started as a 15 hours a week DRE with no experience in particular but like you, a whole resume that helped. We had 23 kids, and no solid program. Now, seven years later I am leaving 100 some kids, and what I think is a rockin&#039; program, but if I went out and tried to get a big church job as a DRE, I am pretty sure I wouldn&#039;t get it. Other jobs I&#039;ve applied for in the field didn&#039;t even get me to the interview stage. I think you really have to have a Master&#039;s degree in a related field. Search committees are made up of people who work really hard and love the program, but man....they want some proof behind your good face! Good luck, dear. Being a DRE will break your heart and your back but it&#039;s good work, if you can get it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sometimes what seems like the worst thing ever turns out to be a blessing. I started as a 15 hours a week DRE with no experience in particular but like you, a whole resume that helped. We had 23 kids, and no solid program. Now, seven years later I am leaving 100 some kids, and what I think is a rockin&#8217; program, but if I went out and tried to get a big church job as a DRE, I am pretty sure I wouldn&#8217;t get it. Other jobs I&#8217;ve applied for in the field didn&#8217;t even get me to the interview stage. I think you really have to have a Master&#8217;s degree in a related field. Search committees are made up of people who work really hard and love the program, but man&#8230;.they want some proof behind your good face! Good luck, dear. Being a DRE will break your heart and your back but it&#8217;s good work, if you can get it.</p>
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		<title>Comment on A no good, very bad week by Robin Edgar</title>
		<link>http://blog.spiritualityandsunflowers.com/?p=1466#comment-6063</link>
		<dc:creator>Robin Edgar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2012 15:50:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What she said and happy belated birthday. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What she said and happy belated birthday. <img src='http://blog.spiritualityandsunflowers.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on A no good, very bad week by Andi Johnson</title>
		<link>http://blog.spiritualityandsunflowers.com/?p=1466#comment-6062</link>
		<dc:creator>Andi Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2012 14:48:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt,
I know you were counting on that job.  And, it would do no good to tell you the universe has something else spectacular planned for you.  I&#039;ve been there...and I hate hearing that.  So, I&#039;ll just tell you to hang in there.  I&#039;ve missed your blogs lately.  Meanwhile, take that 1/4 time position somewhere and hope it leads to full-time soon.  
Dark chocolate is very healthy for you &amp; could help you feel better.  
Wishing you better health &amp; better days ahead...Andi</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt,<br />
I know you were counting on that job.  And, it would do no good to tell you the universe has something else spectacular planned for you.  I&#8217;ve been there&#8230;and I hate hearing that.  So, I&#8217;ll just tell you to hang in there.  I&#8217;ve missed your blogs lately.  Meanwhile, take that 1/4 time position somewhere and hope it leads to full-time soon.<br />
Dark chocolate is very healthy for you &amp; could help you feel better.<br />
Wishing you better health &amp; better days ahead&#8230;Andi</p>
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		<title>Comment on A no good, very bad week by Beth Irikura</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beth Irikura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2012 14:45:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hang in there.  All DREs started without specific DRE experience somewhere.  You&#039;ll find a match.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hang in there.  All DREs started without specific DRE experience somewhere.  You&#8217;ll find a match.</p>
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		<title>Comment on What’s up with the UU inherent mistrust of capital letters? by LdeG</title>
		<link>http://blog.spiritualityandsunflowers.com/?p=1458#comment-4836</link>
		<dc:creator>LdeG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Feb 2012 13:37:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Ultimately the policies of the UUA are the Board’s responsibility. And they too have had over 10 years to fix these problems.&quot;

Ultimately, the problems of the Board are the problems of the members of the member congregations, just as the problems of Congress are the problems of the voters.  There have been problems with the handling of clergy malpractice for far more than 10 years.  Why have *we* not fixed it?  Yes, the behavior of groups is often worse than the behavior of the individuals composing them, but perhaps that is why we have not risen up to fix whatever problems there are - we all expect someone else to do it, thinking someone else had the authority and the responsibility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Ultimately the policies of the UUA are the Board’s responsibility. And they too have had over 10 years to fix these problems.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ultimately, the problems of the Board are the problems of the members of the member congregations, just as the problems of Congress are the problems of the voters.  There have been problems with the handling of clergy malpractice for far more than 10 years.  Why have *we* not fixed it?  Yes, the behavior of groups is often worse than the behavior of the individuals composing them, but perhaps that is why we have not risen up to fix whatever problems there are &#8211; we all expect someone else to do it, thinking someone else had the authority and the responsibility.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Lent 2012 by Richard Dietzel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Dietzel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2012 22:52:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had a dear friend who gave up a 3 pack a day smoking habit every year for Lent, every year but went back to smoking.  I never got the explanation about the setting aside of a worldly desire as a spiritual practice separate from any health practice until many years later when I separated the judgement I felt of smoking (and returning to smoking) as a weakness worthy of my disdain.  Her sacrifice and how it focused her personal struggle for faith was vastly more important than the puffing.  Fasting, meditation, pilgrimage, stations of the cross, days of atonement are spiritual practices first, health benefits (mental, physical, emotional) are secondary.

A Classics professor teaching on the bible asked why Jews didn&#039;t eat pork and after answers about trichinosis and even heart health he said &quot;No.  They don&#039;t because God told them not to, if he had said &#039;Drink milk shakes.&#039; they would drink milk shakes.&quot;  Changes ones focus doesn&#039;t it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had a dear friend who gave up a 3 pack a day smoking habit every year for Lent, every year but went back to smoking.  I never got the explanation about the setting aside of a worldly desire as a spiritual practice separate from any health practice until many years later when I separated the judgement I felt of smoking (and returning to smoking) as a weakness worthy of my disdain.  Her sacrifice and how it focused her personal struggle for faith was vastly more important than the puffing.  Fasting, meditation, pilgrimage, stations of the cross, days of atonement are spiritual practices first, health benefits (mental, physical, emotional) are secondary.</p>
<p>A Classics professor teaching on the bible asked why Jews didn&#8217;t eat pork and after answers about trichinosis and even heart health he said &#8220;No.  They don&#8217;t because God told them not to, if he had said &#8216;Drink milk shakes.&#8217; they would drink milk shakes.&#8221;  Changes ones focus doesn&#8217;t it.</p>
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		<title>Comment on What’s up with the UU inherent mistrust of capital letters? by Salllijane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Salllijane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Feb 2012 20:38:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My problem is, indeed with capital letters, not the persons whom inhabit the offices so designated.  They should all be lower case, except in legal documents or as a title before a proper name—e.g., President Barack Obama, the president of the United States.
Anyone who feels the need to have their title written with a capital letter at all times, or any group who does likewise (as opposed to, for instance, the board of trustees of the Unitarian Universalist Association, the moderator of the UUA BoT), is too concerned with per position, as opposed to doing the work of those whom he or she represents.
Just as our federal (not Federal) government often needs to be reminded who works for whom, our board of trustees needs to remember that they work for the member congregations, in each case, not the other way around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My problem is, indeed with capital letters, not the persons whom inhabit the offices so designated.  They should all be lower case, except in legal documents or as a title before a proper name—e.g., President Barack Obama, the president of the United States.<br />
Anyone who feels the need to have their title written with a capital letter at all times, or any group who does likewise (as opposed to, for instance, the board of trustees of the Unitarian Universalist Association, the moderator of the UUA BoT), is too concerned with per position, as opposed to doing the work of those whom he or she represents.<br />
Just as our federal (not Federal) government often needs to be reminded who works for whom, our board of trustees needs to remember that they work for the member congregations, in each case, not the other way around.</p>
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		<title>Comment on What’s up with the UU inherent mistrust of capital letters? by Robin Edgar</title>
		<link>http://blog.spiritualityandsunflowers.com/?p=1458#comment-4675</link>
		<dc:creator>Robin Edgar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Feb 2012 20:33:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ta from TEA Matt. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ta from TEA Matt. <img src='http://blog.spiritualityandsunflowers.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on Lent 2012 by Lent and the Unitarian Universalist &#124; Finding My Ground</title>
		<link>http://blog.spiritualityandsunflowers.com/?p=1455#comment-4670</link>
		<dc:creator>Lent and the Unitarian Universalist &#124; Finding My Ground</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Feb 2012 13:50:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] it, they&#8217;re participating in it, giving up alcohol, changing diets, learning new instruments, forgoing lunches out, and even giving up Unitarian Universalism for the forty days that began Wednesday, March 22, and [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on What’s up with the UU inherent mistrust of capital letters? by Robin Edgar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robin Edgar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Feb 2012 13:35:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But it’s not just The Board that immediately inspires mistrust in countless UUs.  How many people inherently mistrust The President of the UUA, the UUA, Boston, or their local Minister or any Minister for that matter?  How many people inherently mistrust religions that begin with a capital letter?  Anything important enough to be capitalized is clearly wrong because of what it took for them to earn that capital letter?  Do capital letters somehow oppress people in a way I’m missing?  How much of this distrust is grounded in reality versus grounded in hypothesis?&quot;

Well, since you asked that final question Matt. . . my own personal mistrust of The Board of The Tiny Declining Fringe Religion™, the last three UUA Presidents, the UUA more generally, &quot;Boston&quot; aka 25 Beacon Street, two or three of my local U*U Ministers and indeed a number of other &quot;less than perfect&quot; U*U Ministers for that matter. .  is in fact very much grounded in the well documented shameful reality of how they have behaved towards me and/or other people. My own mistrust is by no means grounded only in hypothesis, but has been earned by numerous untrustworthy U*Us who went out of their way to betray my trust in one way or another. Who is to say that those other Unitarian Universalists who mistrust UU clergy and/or UUA leaders have not had their trust aka *faith* betrayed in various ways?

I am not privy to what is being said on the GA Listserv, having been permanently banned from UUA listserves for sharing my concerns about intolerant and abusive UU clergy and their UUA enablers, not to mention disturbing allegations that the German Unitarian community was subverted by Nazi ideologues in the wake of WWII and their influence held sway into the 1980s if not 1990s and later. . . but I can say with some authority that the UUA Board of Trustees is far from trustworthy when it comes to certain matters, ditto for UUA Presidents and UUA staff.

AFA*I*AC, and I am not alone in this assessment by any means, the UUA Board of Trustees has earned the mistrust of clergy misconduct victims and advocates. But don&#039;t take my word for it take the word of UU clergy sexual misconduct victim UUgrrl as posted to her &#039;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.uusafety.net/uutruth/mfc-policies-analysis/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The MFC Policies: A Failure of Justice&lt;/a&gt;&#039; post on her recently resurrected &#039;Speaking Truth To Power&#039; blog hosted on the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.uusafety.net/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;UU Safety Net&lt;/a&gt; website.

&quot;Given how disrespectful, unsafe and complicated the (UUA clergy misconduct) policies remain, it’s clear the MFC has either failed to consult with former complainants or has completely disregarded their feedback.

Moreover, the Board is complicit.  Ultimately the policies of the UUA are the Board’s responsibility. And they too have had over 10 years to fix these problems.

Thus both the MFC and the Board have failed victims of UU clergy sexual misconduct. In so doing they have failed to ensure safety in congregations. In other words, the senior leaders of the UUA have failed all Unitarian Universalists throughout our country.

In failing to provide a fair system to adjudicate cases of UU clergy sexual misconduct, they have not only failed complainants, they have failed to live up to UU principles. There is not one scrap of justice, equity or compassion for victims in the MFC policies.&quot;

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I regrettably have to concur with UUgrrl&#039;s &quot;mistrust&quot; of the UUA Board Of Trustees.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But it’s not just The Board that immediately inspires mistrust in countless UUs.  How many people inherently mistrust The President of the UUA, the UUA, Boston, or their local Minister or any Minister for that matter?  How many people inherently mistrust religions that begin with a capital letter?  Anything important enough to be capitalized is clearly wrong because of what it took for them to earn that capital letter?  Do capital letters somehow oppress people in a way I’m missing?  How much of this distrust is grounded in reality versus grounded in hypothesis?&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, since you asked that final question Matt. . . my own personal mistrust of The Board of The Tiny Declining Fringe Religion™, the last three UUA Presidents, the UUA more generally, &#8220;Boston&#8221; aka 25 Beacon Street, two or three of my local U*U Ministers and indeed a number of other &#8220;less than perfect&#8221; U*U Ministers for that matter. .  is in fact very much grounded in the well documented shameful reality of how they have behaved towards me and/or other people. My own mistrust is by no means grounded only in hypothesis, but has been earned by numerous untrustworthy U*Us who went out of their way to betray my trust in one way or another. Who is to say that those other Unitarian Universalists who mistrust UU clergy and/or UUA leaders have not had their trust aka *faith* betrayed in various ways?</p>
<p>I am not privy to what is being said on the GA Listserv, having been permanently banned from UUA listserves for sharing my concerns about intolerant and abusive UU clergy and their UUA enablers, not to mention disturbing allegations that the German Unitarian community was subverted by Nazi ideologues in the wake of WWII and their influence held sway into the 1980s if not 1990s and later. . . but I can say with some authority that the UUA Board of Trustees is far from trustworthy when it comes to certain matters, ditto for UUA Presidents and UUA staff.</p>
<p>AFA*I*AC, and I am not alone in this assessment by any means, the UUA Board of Trustees has earned the mistrust of clergy misconduct victims and advocates. But don&#8217;t take my word for it take the word of UU clergy sexual misconduct victim UUgrrl as posted to her &#8216;<a href="http://www.uusafety.net/uutruth/mfc-policies-analysis/" rel="nofollow">The MFC Policies: A Failure of Justice</a>&#8216; post on her recently resurrected &#8216;Speaking Truth To Power&#8217; blog hosted on the <a href="http://www.uusafety.net/" rel="nofollow">UU Safety Net</a> website.</p>
<p>&#8220;Given how disrespectful, unsafe and complicated the (UUA clergy misconduct) policies remain, it’s clear the MFC has either failed to consult with former complainants or has completely disregarded their feedback.</p>
<p>Moreover, the Board is complicit.  Ultimately the policies of the UUA are the Board’s responsibility. And they too have had over 10 years to fix these problems.</p>
<p>Thus both the MFC and the Board have failed victims of UU clergy sexual misconduct. In so doing they have failed to ensure safety in congregations. In other words, the senior leaders of the UUA have failed all Unitarian Universalists throughout our country.</p>
<p>In failing to provide a fair system to adjudicate cases of UU clergy sexual misconduct, they have not only failed complainants, they have failed to live up to UU principles. There is not one scrap of justice, equity or compassion for victims in the MFC policies.&#8221;</p>
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<p>I regrettably have to concur with UUgrrl&#8217;s &#8220;mistrust&#8221; of the UUA Board Of Trustees.</p>
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